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  • EricMGEricMG
    Sawmill band saw. Does anyone know the background color of the SUMNER logo? I guessed.

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  • adminadmin
    Clapboard weathering looks great, that will be a wonderful tower.

    Please fill us in on the sawmill. Looks like you acquired a built-up sawmill along with the machinery - so who built it? What are your plans for it?
  • Robert.GRobert.G
    edited January 2019
    EricMG said:

    Tried that on third trial. Made a mess.


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    Did you give the varnish enough time to harden. A couple of days. Dry is not hard as you certainly know. Hairspray doesn't contain aggressive components so normally nothing could go wrong.
    This looks quiet good to me!
  • KKarnsKKarns
    Love the siding Eric. Looks aged and weathered. That missing piece of siding under the window...are you messin with me?
  • Dave_SDave_S
    Eric,

    I like the overall color of the weathered siding. From my point of view the peeling paint looks very natural. Overall great work. Looking forward to more posts.

    Later, Dave S. Tucson, AZ
  • EricMGEricMG
    Ken, I did not ask it to fall. Maybe you did?


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  • Robert.GRobert.G
    This is a really well weathered pair of engines. One thing that captured my eye? They seem to be in working condition, so wouldn't those big wheels be very shiny from the friction of the belts instead of having all those spots? I am not a machine man so my question is perhaps not relevant... :blush:

    The broken corner of the concrete base is a nice touch. I wonder, was the concrete then already armed ? If so, you could let some of the rusted iron bars show. That would make it even better !
  • EricMGEricMG
    The belt wheels shine like chrome, but the camera sometimes likes to spot them. Not sure why

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  • EricMGEricMG
    edited January 2019
    Robert, having done concert many times, you do not run the rebar out too far everywhere. The rebar is structural and you keep under the load-bearing area.
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  • Robert.GRobert.G
    edited January 2019
    OK, thanks for this

    Something I've noticed ( not in your modeling but in general ) is that the these doors and windows open towards the open air. Here, outside doors and windows open inwards.

    Anyway, great looking walls !! The doors are high enough ? :wink:
  • EricMGEricMG
    Robert, I wonder why? Our house is 1866. All doors open to the outside. You pull them open, knob on right side. All normal doors are 7 1/2 feet tall. Brett's tallest door is barely 6 feet. All big doors slide on rollers above. In this house there is one heading to the barn and two in the barn.

    Most interesting are the door knobs. The house has cast ornate glass, mercury filled glass that looks like chrome, porcelain, brown fired clay in the kitchen, brass, ornate carved brass, purple cast glass, etc. The key holes are mostly surrounded by porcelain.
  • EricMGEricMG
    Brett has vents in the tower. What did these vent? Odd that the one vents onto the roof over the platform. The addition has a stove pipe. Usually the stove pipe is run outside as high as possible to keep from losing heat from the pipe. Some pipes even had fans built into them.
  • EricMGEricMG
    Ken, I will add the sill to the missing window, but the missing clapboard shows what happens if your cut is too short. Some clapboards are Brett's join method, some are my method of cutting the join after the long board is glued. Guess which is which.
  • adminadmin
    O'neills is a commercial craftsman kit. The design is based upon prototypical practices with liberties taken as necessary. The doors are smaller to make the structure and details appear larger - an important design element in a large scale to keep the size of the buildings and thus the diorama manageable.

    The vent would be used in the manufacturing of the acetylene.
  • adminadmin
    Eric - you have not addressed my earlier question:

    Please fill us in on the sawmill. Looks like you acquired a built-up sawmill along with the machinery - so who built it? What are your plans for it?
  • adminadmin
    Robert.G said:

    This is a really well weathered pair of engines. One thing that captured my eye? They seem to be in working condition, so wouldn't those big wheels be very shiny from the friction of the belts instead of having all those spots? I am not a machine man so my question is perhaps not relevant... :blush:

    The broken corner of the concrete base is a nice touch. I wonder, was the concrete then already armed ? If so, you could let some of the rusted iron bars show. That would make it even better !

    Did the second mill engine come with the built-up sawmill? Was it constructed by the same person?

    and Robert, the bottom concrete base under Eric's mill engine with the broken corner is my resin casting that is included in O'Neills. It is the foundation for the tower Eric is currently constructing.

  • Robert.GRobert.G
    edited January 2019
    The doors, No Ed not those, open inwards here. I live in a 1857 farmhouse. Must be a European thing, but this sounds logic to me. You wouldn't want them to get wet when it rains and take the rain inside.. But in the US , you have porches, so...

    The credits go to you Brett for the concrete casting. Nicely done.
  • adminadmin
    edited January 2019
    Robert.G said:

    The credits go to you Brett for the concrete casting. Nicely done.

    Not a matter of wanting credit. The integrity of this or any public forum relies upon the correct identification of any model posted.
  • Robert.GRobert.G
    Agree. :wink:
  • EricMGEricMG
    edited January 2019
    Brett, I am delighted to tell you about the saw mill; I just wasn't sure if it was appropriate. The saw mill was Bob Love's final project as yet unfinished when he died in the early 1990s. Dennis Love, Bob's son, honored me with the responsibility of finishing the mill. The mill engine similar to mine was built from a C.H.B kit I assume since the saw mill came with MANY unopened C.H.B kit's and MANY plastic bags of Kappler lumber. Since the mill was built never weathered, I have begun to weather it and repair damage as I find it. It is a masterpiece. Oddly, the boxes arrived on the 37th anniversary of my father's death day. These two guys could REALLY model.

    Anyone know the true color of the Sumner Band Saw logo background.


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  • EricMGEricMG
    edited January 2019
    The mill will be the center of my On30 section of my layout off too the right of the 3 rail short line. They meet on the dock of the bay to transfer loads.


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  • adminadmin
    Thanks Eric, great back story. Looks like you're going to have an awesome time bringing Bob Love's mill back to life. Would enjoy seeing updates for sure. Totally appropriate here since it features the CHB sawmill machinery which I have owned since 2000.

    I have seen the Sumner Iron Works builders plate with a dark blue/navy/indigo background - however, I could not say if it was the original color since I have only seen restored machinery in museums... I think your red is fine and feasible.
  • Robert.GRobert.G
    Brett, where has the bandsaw gone ? It isn't included in the machinery shop . Would be a wonderful item for our SW dioramas.

    Eric What an impressive truss work. As impressive as your layout.
  • adminadmin
    edited January 2019
    Robert - the bandsaw was not manufactured by CHB. CHB includes the double circular saw which is extremely prototypical for a small mill like Eric is restoring. The bandsaw was made by Bill Gustason at Western Scale Models.
  • sdrees
    And Eric what you said about the rebar is incorrect. Rebar would be placed throughout the foundation with 2" of cover from the concrete. There might be additional rebar under the machinery though.
  • vietnamseabeevietnamseabee
    edited January 2019
    Steve...correct o mundo....would not be uncommon to see some portion of the rebar even with that slight chip...(former Architect project manager) especially the end of the bar...awhile ago ( 4 or 5 months) someone Bryan or Ken perhaps) posted a build with a bit of rebar exposed...imo it added a lot to the scene....a hint of rebar and accompanying rust stain....maybe they’ll jump in here
    Terry
  • sdrees
    Terry, I spent 45 years as an engineer in the heavy construction industry as a project manager and Chief Estimator
  • EricMGEricMG
    Neal's gets assembled.


    My work with rebar was 40 years ago. We ran it within a few inches of the final surface and fully under any weight bearing surface. Maybe times have changed, or codes . . .


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  • brownbr
    Concrete color is spot on.
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