my last post with a picture pointed out a major discrepancy. the gables on the north-south roof (the gable facing the camera) ridge is a good inch taller than the ridge on the east-west wall. according to the drawing, they are supposed to be the same height. the dimensions for the gables were taken directly from the drawing, and the same can be said for the only actual gable for the east-west roof, the wall with the door out to the veranda. the only way i can think of fixing this issue is to adjust the demensions and recut and side the gables on the north-south roof. I DON'T WANT TO!!
Kevin, or you could cut another gable the same as your east-west wall, place it just to the right of your current north-south roof gable, and then have the east-west roof run into the north-south roof. BUT then you will still have the challenge of a ceiling over your beautiful porch and columns ..... Decisions, decisions .... In the end I think your best solution would be to take a step back and redo ... --Paul
Kevin...I need to ponder this a bit and I’d like to see photos from different views but my first inclination is that this is a common situation in the ‘real’ world ( unless I’m totally clueless to what the problem is). Thinking, thinking , thinking Terry
frankly, i'm gonna blame the drawing and do them over. i'll widen the gable to reach all the way to the 4th post, and lower the peak to the height of the east west ridge.. its not a difficult fix, it's just a bit redundant feeling since this'll be the third set of gables. damn. oh well, at least i know how many boards i have to grain and stain.... talk about a gut punch.
i figured that i had just enough clapboard to do this, so i laid out a couple gables:
i had to stagger them a little to make them fit. what sucks about clapboard is, if this was just sheet ply you could lay them out next to each other one of them upside down, but you can't do that with clapboard, so any way, next i covered the business side of the board with masking tape to prevent splits:
and i cut the suckers out:
since this is my third attempt at getting these damn gables right, i decided to take a little reading break:
it's a good book (so far), and keeping in mind it was written in 1984, the author laughingly states that scratchbuilding is a fraction of the cost of kits (high end craftsman kits went for $50-100 at that time). i could've bought the bar mills kit of the idaho hotel for $169.95. i'm betting I'll have way more into this scratchbuild. i've got big plans don'tcha know....?
up next: grain, knothole, abuse, stain and paint 16 1x8s.... the struggle goes on..... shoulders bucked. hut hut hike....
i worked on the boards tonight and got em all grained with a file card and a plumber's brush pulled em all through 000 steel wool, put knotholes in a third of them and sawbanded most of the remainder, then stained em with silverwood, and now i'm just gonna let 'em sit overnight, i'm gonna crack a beer (cuz i was a successful plumber today and swapped out a 47 yr old toilet. long story don't ask....) cheers
Kevin, your modeling is wonderful and sounds like you are making progress on the gable redo. However, I am most impressed with your plumbing success !! I consider myself fairly handy (son of a carpenter) but plumbing always seems to be my kryptonite. Hats off to you and a well deserved beer ! All the best, --Paul
no worries, i don't do electric. yesterday was a bit of a nightmare. it started out as a simple changing out the filler valve and float in the toilet tank, and my day ended 7 hrs later changing out the entire toilet. i hate plumbing, because every task starts out simple and devolves into a bigger job. like yesterday's job. especially on a 47 yr old toilet. all bolts were completed rusted. i ended up taking a hacksaw blade to the bolts bolting the tank to the bowl, but once i got the tank off, the flapper gasket on the bottom of the tank was practically welded in place and the rest of the bolts (that i cut) were not going to come out no matter what i did. i ache today like i haven't ached in a long time. it's bull work and i don't like it one bit. i'm glad it's over.
rick, we've been ordering our groceries and picking them up. we don't even get out of the car. we pop the trunk and they guy loads it. we bring it home and wash everything with clorox wipes before putting it away. we've also used an app called, "instacart". they shop the local stores for you. you order on line at their website and they tell you when you can expect delivery. if the store is out of something you ordered, they send you a text with a substitute. if you don't want it, you aren't charged for it. we think that once this horrible situation we're all in subsides, we may stick with instacart. it's a great service, and i absolutely despise grocery shopping.
i'll hit them with powders and a/i tonight and i'm gonna need to order some 1/16" plywood. that 1/8" plywood is too hard to cut. i do have an old micro mark table saw out in the garage but it needs a new blade and the the fence is a hot mess.
you guys are probably getting sick of this thread, and if you are i'm sorry about that. here's the final configuration of the gables on the north/south roof.
it's just sitting there because i have alot to do before i can glue it. here's a shot with an 18" ruler set on top of the veranda gable and the ridge of the north south roof. it's close enough fer gubmint work.... i'm gonna go with it.
don't you guys worry about me. i'm chompin' at the bit to get back down to the bench. i did get down there for about 45 minutes this afternoon and i replaced the 4th post on the balcony structure, so now there are 4 posts under the overhang from the north-south roof. so that's done....
the front wall hasn't been weathered yet, but when i do it won't be as heavy as the weathering on the gable because the gable is more exposed to the elements.... the bad lighting in that part of the room is what's making the structure look so blue. in normal light there isn't blue.
i'm going to need 195 square inches of shingles, and i would like to use cedar shakes or simulated cedar shakes. does anybody have any recommendations?
I've used Sierra Scale Models sheet cedar and cut my own, but 195"sq is a lot of shingles. You saw them on my HO Truck Repair Shop build. From what I've seen, you have the patience to do it. No doubt it would top this incredible build.
I’m with the Goat....I’ve used sheet Cedar cutting my own individual shingles. More time consuming but I like the final appearance....can vary the placement of the individual shingles. I bought a pack of a hundred sheets from Amazon awhile back. Terry
i made the 34 mile round trip up to costco and paid $1.24 for a gallon of gas. on my way back i deviated from the normal route and drove past this little cluster of buildings near a barn that was in much better shape. i had to turn around and get these shots. they're on private property, otherwise i would've walked around each one and taken better photos. some day i may just go ask permission to do just that. check 'em out:
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Decisions, decisions .... In the end I think your best solution would be to take a step back and redo ...
--Paul
Thinking, thinking , thinking
Terry
talk about a gut punch.
i had to stagger them a little to make them fit. what sucks about clapboard is, if this was just sheet ply you could lay them out next to each other one of them upside down, but you can't do that with clapboard, so any way,
next i covered the business side of the board with masking tape to prevent splits:
and i cut the suckers out:
since this is my third attempt at getting these damn gables right, i decided to take a little reading break:
it's a good book (so far), and keeping in mind it was written in 1984, the author laughingly states that scratchbuilding is a fraction of the cost of kits (high end craftsman kits went for $50-100 at that time). i could've bought the bar mills kit of the idaho hotel for $169.95. i'm betting I'll have way more into this scratchbuild.
i've got big plans don'tcha know....?
up next: grain, knothole, abuse, stain and paint 16 1x8s....
the struggle goes on.....
shoulders bucked. hut hut hike....
However, I am most impressed with your plumbing success !! I consider myself fairly handy (son of a carpenter) but plumbing always seems to be my kryptonite. Hats off to you and a well deserved beer !
All the best,
--Paul
we've been ordering our groceries and picking them up. we don't even get out of the car. we pop the trunk and they guy loads it. we bring it home and wash everything with clorox wipes before putting it away. we've also used an app called, "instacart". they shop the local stores for you. you order on line at their website and they tell you when you can expect delivery. if the store is out of something you ordered, they send you a text with a substitute. if you don't want it, you aren't charged for it. we think that once this horrible situation we're all in subsides, we may stick with instacart. it's a great service, and i absolutely despise grocery shopping.
i'll hit them with powders and a/i tonight and i'm gonna need to order some 1/16" plywood. that 1/8" plywood is too hard to cut. i do have an old micro mark table saw out in the garage but it needs a new blade and the the fence is a hot mess.
here's the final configuration of the gables on the north/south roof.
it's just sitting there because i have alot to do before i can glue it.
here's a shot with an 18" ruler set on top of the veranda gable and the ridge of the north south roof. it's close enough fer gubmint work....
i'm gonna go with it.
cuz the wife doesn't care.
i did get down there for about 45 minutes this afternoon and i replaced the 4th post on the balcony structure, so now there are 4 posts under the overhang from the north-south roof.
so that's done....
the front wall hasn't been weathered yet, but when i do it won't be as heavy as the weathering on the gable because the gable is more exposed to the elements....
the bad lighting in that part of the room is what's making the structure look so blue. in normal light there isn't blue.
Terry
Looks great Kevin.
Jerry